I just came back from the church & while lunch is busy bubbling away on the fire, i decided to share what i experienced today; The pastor started his sermon with the plea for us to come out amass & vote for individual rather than party.Then talked on 'the importance of home training'. He said, we have lost the basic moral values like greetings, respect for our elders, giving to people, don't know how to say thank-you, being hospitable & are not ready to serve /learn from our masters. He told stories & backed it up with quotes from the bible.
I agreed with him on the issues he raised except on the hospitality aspect where he said Abraham welcomed strangers who were angels in disguise & how Rebbecca became Isaac's wife because of her kindness, & how some people would hear the voice of a visitor & will go to hide their pot of soup! *we all laughed*. I wrote a question on my note-pad & asked the usher to give it to the pastor but she refused saying it's ONLY on Tuesday's that pastor answers ANY question during evening service called DIGGING DEEP. I said, i don't attend evening services & continued listening.
I asked: 'IN THIS PRESENT ERA OF HIGH CRIME & WICKEDNESS, IS IT ADVISABLE FOR ONE TO BE HOSPITABLE TO COMPLETE STRANGERS? AND WHAT OF PEOPLE THAT NEVER SITS IN THEIR HOMES BUT VISIT OFTEN, WHAT SHOULD ONE DO ABOUT THEM? AFTERALL, THE BIBLE SAYS; ONE SHOULD WITHDRAW HIS/HER FOOTSTEPS FROM HIS NEIGHBOUR'S HOUSE SO THAT HE WOULD NOT COME TO HATE YOU! AND WITH THE HARSH ECONOMY WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SURVIVE AGAINST ALL ODDS, PEOPLE ARE TAKING DESPERATE MEASURES. I remember, when in school, some gals would spend their pocket money on clothes, then be parasiting on other students who were managing their resources, they visit different people in a day so as to have food to eat. so, is it fair on the other students who acted wisely with their income?
After the sermon, he then surprised me by saying there were 2 christian political aspirants, who would like to share some few words with us! *then i understood the reason behind his first comment!* SHOULD THE CHURCH BE INVOLVED IN POLITICS? The aspirants came out after the offering; the man spoke eloquently like a true sales man & backed it up with quotes from the bible, but the woman? *i reserve my comment* Their fliers & forms were shared to fill our names, phone numbers, addresses, occupation & what we want them to do for us: vocational, employment or schooling. I was among the many who refused to fill the form! FEW did. I was really working up an anger where i sat down, wondering if the church thinks it owns my life!
Who are we deceiving? POLITICS IN NIGERIA IS DIRTY! if one goes in clean, he /she would come out mucked up! quote me any day! And i welcome any constructive argument on this. Politics involves lobbying! We were told N2,500 would be paid for ANY member that comes out to join them in campaigning! What are the shirts, caps, food stuffs shared around meant for ehn? I find it difficult to believe that THERE IS NO POLITICIAN THAT DOES NOT TELL LIES!.....YES/NO?
Lets call a spade a spade & no other name! WE ARE BEING BRAINWASHED! THE CHURCH IS NOW PLAYING ON PEOPLE'S SENTIMENT! WHEN I SAID GIVE UNTO CESAR WHAT BELONGS TO CESAR, SOME DISAGREED WITH ME, BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY? THE CHURCH IS FOR SPIRITUAL ISSUES, THEY SHOULD INTERVENE WITH PRAYERS RATHER THAN MANIPULATION.
Listen, I HAD NEVER VOTED IN MY LIFE! infact, this is my first time of registering because it was just opposite my block & there was nobody there that day, so i went & under 10mins, i was through! IF the voting process would be at the same spot, then i MIGHT go, but IF it is in the public school compound that is barely 10mins walk, then, I WOULD NOT STEP OUT FOR SECURITY SAKE! Where would i run to if KATAKATA burst out ehn? I have NO LOVE for politics & anybody that gets into it, should be ready to dine with the 'BIG BOYS'....if they want to win, UNLESS they are just there for the money or political appointment as compensation!
So my friends, should the church be involved in politics, are politicians truthful?, how & who do you show hospitality to in this modern day? Thanks very much, & have a stress-free week...shalom.
I really want to say there are some God fearing politrickians but I don't even believe that myself. I will say there are some with better intentions than others, meaning they go in chop money but also get work done. I can actually get behind those kinds of politicians.
ReplyDeleteI am not a fan of the Church endorsing any one individual, period.
Hospitality should be applied with wisdom. The Holy Spirit or for those that don't believe, your gut will likely tell you when a situation/person is a bit shifty (maybe it happens to just me) or the person is not being truthful about their need. God help us all sha.
Happy Sunday Ame!!!
NO No NO!
ReplyDeleteIn my home church in Nigeria, We once had a Gubernatorial candidate. Apart from his posters which were put up on the billboard, nobody said anything about it. The pastor just asked us to pray concerning the elections.
From time immemorial, the society has had problems with separating the church and power. But inspite of this difficulty, it is the pastor's duty to still maintain a neutral stance for the sake of his congregation.
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ReplyDeleteShould the church be involved in politics? Yes. The church should be involved to change things from how 'they use to do it' to how it should be done. But if it would interfere with the Gospel being preached undilluted, then I would say no.
ReplyDeleteAre politicians truthful? Yes some politicians are truthful. They will have good intentions, they will make good promises. But when they get into the office, they meet a different ball game. In essence, 'christian' politicians tell 'unintented' lies. They promise to do something, but 'circumstances beyond' their control make them to something else.
How & who do you show hospitality to in this modern day? Let your spirit leads you on who and how to show hospitality to people. Once your spirit tells you to help somebody, just go ahead and forget whether the person is a scammer or a professional beggar.
I ANSWER NO ON all counts. the house of God should strive to serve God and be unbiased. the church should never be involved in politics, and they should never try to influence the church members vote. SMH@"We were told N2,500 would be paid for ANY member that comes out to join them in campaigning". SOUNDS like bribery to me.
ReplyDeletePolitics in Nigeria is a joke, 99% go into it for their own pocket, not the goodness of the pple.
The hospitality thing is a different beast on it own, it's difficult to be hospitable because it is harder to trust people.
The church should never endorse any political party or aspirant.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I believe the church should lobby leaders and policy makers about issues they feel strongly about.
In the UK, the last government proposed that children as young as 8 yrs old should receive sex education in primary schools!
I recall the Catholic church here lobbying and campaigning to be excluded from this i.e. that Catholic primary schools SHOULD NOT be included in this new regulation.
They suceeded ....and as a mother with kids in primary school, I was relieved because I believe sex education should not only be about the biology of sex but should also be about the emotional, moral and physical responsibilities that come with it.
So, churches should only get involved in politics to ensure their people's opinions are represented.
As for hospitality..... Considering how expensive and challenging it is to run a home; I am only prepared to open my doors as/when I feel the need to. Sorry! *smile*
I think the church should be involved in politics to the very small extent of encouraging the congregation to vote for the best candidate rather than a particular party. But thats about it. I don't think the church leaders should be influencing the members on WHO specifically to vote for and all that.
ReplyDeleteI too think that there are some good politicians out there. Just that once you get elected it becomes another story and it becomes necessary to "play ball" in order to get things done. But hopefully not to excess.
this issue will always exist. Even here in states there is a thin line, and like you i dont trust any politicians, i just vote on the better of the worst.
ReplyDeleteBefore I give my comment, I would like to ask if the politicians are members of the church or they just came to campaign?
ReplyDelete@anonymous, *laughs* @ politrickians & don't even believe that myself' ..thank u.
ReplyDelete@honey dame, agree on the 'neutral stance by the pastor'..thank u.
@surprise,'In essence, 'christian' politicians tell 'unintended' lies. They promise to do something, but 'circumstances beyond' their control make them to something else. #gbam#...thank you bros.
Its a tricky one my sister.
ReplyDeleteFor me I believe every human being who can criticise those in power, should come and show us what they can do.
Whether muslim, christian,ifa worshipper, or otokoto brethren, if you are ahuman being, pay your taxes, are concerned abot your community, heeen stand up and be counted make we look.
I think the corruption aspect of your message is because WE DONT HAVE ANY PROPER PENAL SYSTEM!
People get away with murder, stealing, fraud, money laundering, terrorism, arson, drunk driving, need I say more?
Have a proper judicial process and penal code independent of the political arm and lets see how it goes.
I hope I didnt veer off your message oh.lol
Mena
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@9jafoodie..totally concur..thank u.
ReplyDelete@9jamum..'As for hospitality..... Considering how expensive and challenging it is to run a home; I am only prepared to open my doors as/when I feel the need to. *thumbs up!*..thanks.no need to apologize :)
@ lady ngo..'Just that once you get elected it becomes another story and it becomes necessary to "play ball" in order to get things done' ...my thoughts exactly. thank you.
I won't even say much cos I know you are entitled to your opinions.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing I will say is that please, please and please, VOTE. That is your only voice. After voting, defend your vote by making sure it is counted, along with the others. Just try, please. If you don't vote, your vote will be used by riggers, since you already registered. I know you might have given up on the nigerian electoral system, but this is the first step to cleaning it up. let us all come out and vote so that they will not build nests on our head for the next 4 years. If you do not make a decision for yourself, a decision will be made for you. Abeg oooo, VOTE.
@chizzy d, thank you my sister.
ReplyDelete@miss onakz, they are not members of my branch, but MIGHT be of other branches of RCCG,...the woman is rocking the S.U style...thank you.
@mena, nope! you did not veer from the topic...you simply summarized it all..thank u :)
@ilola..hahahaa...ok ma! i WILL vote o! I now DEE would drum it into my ear again...:)))..thank you.
ReplyDeleteYour pastor endorsed two candidates for the same post? I wonder what his 'kickback' would be for every member that signs up. Anyhoo, like @ilola said, please vote. It is the only voice you have, please use it. As for the hospitality thing, it's a personal choice, we need to trust the Holy Spirit to direct us as to when to say yea or nay. P.s what did you cook for lunch? Just curious :)
ReplyDeletePolitics...politics...politics...I'm so NOT a fan!
ReplyDeleteI don't think that a church should endorse anyone that's running for a position...however I do believe that in order for Nigeria to move forward we need positive leaders and by having REAL Christians...maybe that can happen...but like you've said, politics is dirty...
@joxy..no he did not endorse them for the same post but they are from the same party for different posts. he simply allowed them to campaign to us....e pass rice & stew?..hahahhaa...thanks sis :)
ReplyDelete@blessing..indeed! i have learnt not to take people words at face value..thank you.
ReplyDeleteIbhade the church and politics used to be two arms of the government in ancient times. Now that they are separated is immaterial- religion still influences voting patterns. In India the right wing parties use religion to get voters to vote! Sometimes I feel that one reason that politics is dirty is because clean people stay away from it.. if there were enough clean people getting in then the dirty would have to stay away..! Like I had mentioned in my blog- political parties today are treating elections like a wish list and then beginning to behave like the "fairy god mother"
ReplyDeletePraise God! You have finally agreed to vote! *Laughing* Thank God o! Ibhade, you won't regret it. Just vote for your choice.
ReplyDeleteTrue, politics in Nigeria is DIRTY! Which makes it difficult for "clean" people to play. However, I believe there is HOPE and we shall change the face of politics in Nigeria IJN!
What these so called dirty playing, money sharing politicians don't realise is that their money would NOT get them the required votes! Someone told me that after each convention, some political parties share money, ranging from N500 ti N5,000, to EVERYBODY there present. Now, I ask myself, someone would stay in the HOT sun for hours, chanting and clapping, listening to empty promises and then for that effort, he/she is paid N500 or N5,000 as the case may be!
I will VOTE and I know my vote would count! Nigeria MUST change. We will leave a decent Nigeria for our children and grand children. That is my prayer for Nigeria.
God bless Nigeria!
@ NG, I think the church should be involved in politics, but should not endorse candidates.
ReplyDeleteI believe the church is doing the right thing by gradually reversing its "siddon look" approach to governance and sensitising its members.
The truth is, If we all keep running away from politics, these same "bad guys" will rule us forever and all we will keep doing is complain.
I believe we are the change we want to see and the only way to make that change is to be involved.
My 2 cents:)
PS I'm hands off the N2,500 sturvs sha!
I wonder how much the pastor got for that sermon.....well sha they are copying american politicians who only go to churches during election year.
ReplyDeleteVery interesting comments. I like your blog btw...always looking out for new stuff to read.. God will continue to bless you for ur passion to share the current news of Naij.
ReplyDeleteBefore I make my comment, I would like to say I agree with Meera, I do think politics and religion have always been embedded together. In fact, religion accounts for a lot of factors that society now exercises e.g. education, moral views etc. not to digress, I would say politics is not a negative thing, I myself aspire to get into politics someday(not by my power ohh, na God). But, I have a passion for naij a raw one (but, still a work in progress).
Although, I know people in politics have not represented it well, it is always something that always be in Christianity (check out leaders in the bible, e.g. King Solomon and the story of the mothers n sons etc, from my understanding laws back then were made by appointed leaders, Kings, etc either by God or man (story of Moses OT and Caesar OT/NT). Thus, churches have always been involved (check out the roles catholicism plays in regards to abortion/judicial laws etc).
Nevertheless, using a church is another form of medium or marketing to reach potential candidates and although some politicians might just be using it as a campaign etc, it is also showing they are proactive engaging religious leaders etc (thus, ur pastor doing this shows he is getting involved with the community, society, prospective candidates to exercise his own voice and power etc, thus in the future, he has a story to tell to encourage his children etc).. Whatever the case, as long as his heart is clear and he is not doing for the wrong reasons. It alright to get involved but should aim to include God and prayer too for support...
Now, politicians in Niaj are greedy are these and that etc, there are everywhere in every country. Although, I don't agree with stealing etc, I do think Nigerians feel it more because the governments have fail to consider the needs of the citizens, failed to fulfill purpose and failed to rise above challenges. (Nobody said it would be easy, or they wont be side-tracked, but it is a trial and they should aim pass through.
After all, they went into politics living well so, why take bribe or money laundering. Sha there are alot of unseen negatives factors in the parliaments etc. Hence,some leader afraid and yield to pressure and forget what they intended to do @ the first place. (God did not give us the spirit of fear, so we should withstand even if it means dying etc, God help us with boldness).
In the end, changes can be done, and it wont happen over night, it will happen with a leader, that has a positive mind,with supportive subordinates, and great relationship with God.
In addition, a changes will occur from a positive Nigeria that actively advocates a positive change. It all start with the mind and the mind is very powerful, Nigerians don't be discouraged, if you are, you are not living by faith and you be living by faith.
ReplyDeleteFinally, I would recommend any politician should aim to first tackle some key issues, engage in positive CSR, work with companies that advocates right things for Nigerian society, that way you are already raising awareness, proving to the masses you are one of the best and your intentions are clear ( thus, invest the money that should be used to buy trust e.g. N2,500 into something significant and beneficial in the long-term). Anyway, 3-5yrs should be used to do so much that it creates a great profile without advertising unnecessary or wasting money on adverts etc to encourage voters. Join hands with good wealthy Nigerians and improve schools, libraries etc with your own money, God can only bless you, the effect is better than money too, either way, a Christian politician should not think they will automatically change Nigeria, it is a process, but tackle key issues and let people see those changes. God bless Nigeria.
About your neighbor, i can understand it is hard to trust anyone and just simply open ur door, what I would say whatever u do, do it with a good heart ( u are doing it for ur father in heaven, for u and ur children, and even if it means money was wasted etc, u will gain much more cos u did for God not for man and God blesses. I do try to be hospitable and apply wisdom whilst doing it.
P.S. power is in the tongue, proverbs 18:21, Nigeria will only change if we are all positive in our minds and tongue, they are one of the most powerful weapons we have as humans, please use with caution and care.
(Pardon the long essay, u can tell I have a lot to say, lol).
JESUS BLESS...God is love and love on others too.
The church should remain neutral and assist in praying to God for the right leaders to lead the country. It should not seek to persuade the congregation in anyway. This is exactly what is wrong with the church today...materialism, business, politics...when will it stop and get back to matters of spirituality? I go to church to get away from the 'noise' of the world...not to be shoved straight back into it. It is just wrong.
ReplyDelete"We were told N2,500 would be paid for ANY member that comes out to join them in campaigning!"
ReplyDeleteShame catch me o... Ha! People, let's fear God o.
I'm down with Naijamum on the role of the Church. The Church can lobby on policies and laws but I'm not comfortable with the Church as an institution formally endorsing candidates.
As for hospitality... Honestly, I don't consider it a big deal. If it's within my budget and I have the time to host, why not? What is food? Even now, I have people calling me asking when next I will cook that my stew or jollof rice, etc. I tell them I'll let them know but right now, I'm busy. When I get the chance and it fits my budget to make enough to share, I will go and give them. It's not like they ask me everyday.
That said, I understand your point. When I was in the university, you had fellowship "brothers" who would visit "sisters" to eat. And the sisters would cook all sorts, even when they were just managing to make ends meet on their pocket money. I thought that was nonsense.
I think everybody don tok wetin I wan yarn. Hia!
ReplyDeleteWow! Really? I mean Really? What would Jesus say?
ReplyDeleteThis is really sad..
Unless the pastor is forcing people to hand over their ballot, then yes, everyone should be involved in politics including churches and pastors. And please go and vote o, na you be my voice for there, and no katakata go bust IJN. Consider, if you no put your mouth, how can we change the politics not to be dirty?
ReplyDeleteBTW, I liked the question you wanted to ask the pastor.
@meerasrajan..yeah, i now remember my history..the cardinal played a major role in the kings affair then, even when the 'umbilical cord' had been severed, they are still attached to each other! hmmm.thank you for the 'educate' meera.
ReplyDelete.. hahahaha@ fairy god mother!
@dee..hahahhahahahahahaaa.. hallelujah! yes o! i will vote since i learnt that there would be 2 voting polls directly opposite my block! so no excuse for me o..i would simply mount surveillance at my kitchen window & now when to 'slot' in....*grinning*..thank you.
@koinonia..i understand better now.. but how they go about is what matters, right?..thank you :)
@lilith..hahahahahahahaaaaaa...oh! lucid!..thank you :)))
ReplyDelete@purpleicious babe..*a standing ovation*..you are an orator!.. am humbled...thank you!.i will definitely vote o!
@9jalines..totally agree with you ma'am on the spirituality & materialism of the church, on the political aspect, some bloggers are doing a damn good job of convincing me other wise.. hehehheee.thank you
@os..*laughing* @shame catch me... is to buy water & food on the road as they walk under the scorching sun, dancing, singing & sharing fliers..DEE summarized it all..hahahahahahaa...infact, one guy bluntly refused to go after last election when he was paid N200.oo, after all the 'suffer' thank you.
ReplyDelete@nice anon.. na lie o!..me i no agree for your answer, oya answer me sharp sharp!... *laughing*.. thank you.
@natural nigerian.. heheheheee... you sound shocked!. thank you.
@myne..amen o!.really?..thank you... sometimes, i dey surprise myself with the kind 'liver' i get shaaa..hahahhahaa.
There are still some wonderful people in politics who are there for a change. If no one does the work, who will? Please try and cast your votes because it is your voice. America was built by Americans, Nigeria must be built by Nigerians.
ReplyDeleteI am back to my blog and do hope to see you guys there. Love
This is so different from America! I think I can say that I wouldn't go to a church that allows this stuff to take the platform. Seriously! But it appears that you don't have a choice. All churches in Nigeria are the same. right?
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't stand for it. There are few places that one can go to get away from the WORLD...and church should be the # one place where we can feel safe from the mainstream political insanity.
I chuckled when you said the following.... I did copy your quote in my ipod notes :)
"Who are we deceiving? POLITICS IN NIGERIA IS DIRTY! if one goes in clean, he /she would come out mucked up! quote me any day!"
Any thing known to be 'dirty' - meaning deceptive and manipulative - should not be allowed a platform in any christian church! Christian - meaning - followers and disciples of Christ Jesus and His anointed WORD. Period!
I believe the Lord has place good truthful christain leaders in offices around the states of America. We pray for our leaders - that's acceptable even from the platform of a church. But for the most part, I'm not involved in politics because of the premeditated deception and Media hype that plays on the innocence of people. There are many lies spread - about this person or that person - because it makes for a good story. I don't operate this way - and neither do you.
Bottom line - they just want your vote. once they are in office - the platform is there!
As for inviting strangers into your home - This is not the same world our ancestors lived in. This is not the same day as was in Moses' day or Jesus' day. We can't take scripture out of context and we must keep it in it's entirety - to get the whole picture.
Proverbs 2:7 says it well. God gives us good sense for a reason. To use it! Things aren't always as we might want or expect them to be. Especially in TODAY's World
"He grants a treasure of good sense to the godly. He is their shield, protecting those who walk with integrity."
The Lord protects us with good sense...that still small voice of the Holy Spirit is usually witness to the good sense that the Lord has given us - listen to the Holy Spirit if you don't trust your own good sense.
Don't open your door to strangers without good reason and good sense. :)
good post!
Hugs to you and the family
Patrina <")>><
Kareem
ReplyDeleteI went back and read the previous comments before mine. And you have generated a lot of good results here. I am proud of those that are passionate about changing Nigeria for the better. Many have expressed that there will always be 'Dirty' politics - if the good people don't take a stand. This is always right in any situation. Even though I hate politics - for personal reasons - I know the truth of what they say. It would take an army of good right standing people to change the politics of any nation. But we must be reminded that if we stand together as the body of Christ, we can accomplish the impossible - because all things are possible with God.
You either have a passion for politics or you don't. Not everyone carries the same passion.
I leave the politics to those that care to understand it and fight for it. My battle is somewhere else. I can't fight battles that I wasn't called to fight.
I do campaign for good upstanding christian leaders - but I do that as a silent voice through the avenue that He has gifted me in - intercessory prayer.
I share my view here because I do believe politics has a strong pulse to it. most every leader has come away from the limelight - changed in some way.
I would say that for a christian politician, it would serve them and the nation they serve - to know that they've felt a call from God to step into the political arena.
If God doesn't put you there - Your position won't be blessed. Blessings flow when we walk according to God's purpose for our individual giftedness. So don't feel badly if you don't have the same passion or convictions as the others. It's OK.
Voting is a responsibility - and to vote, we need to be informed - but that process in itself is mind-bending. We've a very long road to travel to get to clarity and truth in the arena of politics.
But, as some have stated - we have to start somewhere - sometime - for the future generations of our nation. TRUTH! each man/woman will have to decide what that means for themselves.
I just have to say, that you have generated a great multitude of responders here,with your honest truth - your truth. I love it that you have so many with a heart for Nigeria. That is what it takes to change a nation.
GOD BLESS NIGERIA AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!
GOD BLESS HIS WHOLE WIDE WORLD FOR HIS KINGDOM SAKE!
WE ARE 'OVERCOMERS' by the blood of the lamb! - The KING of all KINGS
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ReplyDeleteBlessings.....
ReplyDeleteIt would seem that the pastor has lost his direction and forgetting his obligation. It almost makes one want to ask, "what exactly is your agenda?" to platform for politics because you have the masses amassed under your roof or to preach the word of God to lighten and enlighten people and lift them even temporarily from their burdens, worries and woes.
People go to church to unite and glory in the Lord, to go home lifted and renewed, to praise the word of God not the word of the politian.
Peace...
Rhapsody
Mehn, i think all politicians, no matter their intentions, always compromise at some point. And it doesn't help that most of them are poppets for godfathers
ReplyDeleteAnd wetin consine church with politics nau?
Adiya
@chris obaze..so true! i have had a change of heart, i WILL vote! Thanks so much, welcome back.
ReplyDelete@patrina..*applauding*....a BIG thank you ma'am. What a motivating speech! & kind words towards us all... well appreciated...yes! Nigerians yearn for a NEW Nigeria.
As for churches getting involved in politics: Am on the fence right now, truthfully speaking my dear friend because i am reasoning it from another perspective..there is an extent the church can help, but how they go about helping is the 'issue'. I so much admired & respected Pastor Tunde Bakare of the Latter Rain Assembly for his boldness & honest views on issues, but when he got involved in politics, i was so angry & lost the respect i had for him, but reading comments here, is making me to understand why he did it.
On the hospitality issue, i totally concur with you, because we live in a different era unlike our forefathers...'wisdom' is the key word.thank you.
@rhapsody b..the church is solely for spiritual growth & succor, but........................i just dunno anymore......but one thing i do know is that no pastor can coerce or persuade me to vote for a candidate of their choice, be him a xtain or not! Thanks very much sistah..shalom.
ReplyDelete@ the corner shop.. *grinning*..same question i was asking earlier oo..& got objective answers...but i still DON'T HAVE ANY LOVE FOR POLITICS SHA!..thanks a lot sis.